PezRez and md261 are two of the poker world's most consistent 6-max SNG players. Together they run 6maxcoaching.com, which offers coaching and staking services. Here they dissect hands and games they've played. Also found at: www.6maxcoaching.com/blog

Thursday 28 April 2011

Don't Leave $$$ on the Table

md261 on 27th April 2011

There has been exciting events in the poker world recently. Not much has really changed for non-US players, but since many people are reacting by withdrawing a large percentage of their bankroll from the big 3 and are looking to play elsewhere, a great opportunity has occured for everyone who can play at Non-US sites.

Networks like Party Poker, iPoker, OnGame and others are looking at this as the big opportunity to sweep up some of the players leaving Stars, FT and Cereus, and add them to their own network.

This surge in activity has led to real competition and price-warring between the networks. They view every player they gain now as a potential revenue stream for many years to come, and they are willing to do many things to gain players at this time. Competition is great for consumers as companies have to offer better value-for-money or better services to their clients, otherwise people will go elsewhere.

Networks want to get big players on, and will offer high % RB deals (sometimes even as high as 60%+) to get these players. If you are a full time pro, a high RB deal can add $10,000-$100,000 to your yearly winnings, for no extra work. Networks do not widely publicise these deals, because then players who do not know about it, and who think they are getting a great deal at 30% Rakeback, will demand a better deal, which means less money for the Network. Regardless of the stakes you play you can often get higher RB deals than you are getting.

IF YOU ARE NOT GETTING A HIGH % RB DEAL YOU ARE LEAVING MONEY ON THE TABLE

As a general economic rule of thumb, the more competition there is, the better deals the customer/consumer gets, this seems to hold true for poker sites as well. Many people do not fully understand the relationship between a poker network and a poker skin.

Pokerstars and Full Tilt have no skins, you can only join the one site to play on one network, sites like Pokerstars.fr are not skins, because .fr players cannot play on the same network as players outside of France. However a site like iPoker is a different case, here are a list of some of the skins that belong to the iPoker Network:

Bet365, Betboo Poker, Betfred, Betmost, BigSlick, Bluesq, Centrebet, Celebpoker, Chillipoker, DafaPoker, Expekt, Hansapoker, Mansion poker, noigpoker, nutspoker, pokeroceanm pokeruts, redfoxpoker, the nuts poker league, titan poker, vulcan poker, and others I do not know about.

This means that if you sharkscope sittysutty, who plays at celebpoker on sharkscope, you will realise that if you sharkscoped him on any of the other pokerskins listed above, it will also tell you his results. This is because they are the same player, you cannot have the same usernames on 2 different skins, because they are essentially playing on the same site.

A Network like iPoker will have a simple business strategy which almost guarantees them income, which will go something like this (the actual %'s are guesses). iPoker will give 65% of all the rake that a player brings in to the skin he is playing on. If sittysutty rakes $10 at CelebPoker, CelebPoker will receive $6.5. The skins are all competing with each other, and since there are so many skins there is lots of competition, so they may offer 60% RB to get players to play there, so sittysutty can receive $6 before any profit from the games. He need only break even at $50 turbos and he can get a $150+/hr hourly rate (12 tabling) without making any 'sharkscope' profit.

This is a good business strategy for the skins as well, if you are for example Manchester United football club, or William Hill bookmakers, you have a client base who may want to play poker, and you can take advantage of that by creating a skin like Manchester United poker, or William Hill poker. The skin just changes the colour scheme to Manchester United colours, and doesn't have to do anything else and it has created a new revenue stream. Manchester United Poker would have too few players by itself for any games to run, and they would need to pay lots of money to create the poker site and do all the programming, but as a skin they can make money and not have to worry about anything else.

Wherever you are playing it is well worth investigation regularly if you could be greatly increasing your hourly rate by changing where you play. It is very easy and comfortable to play at only one site, where the software is good and you know exactly what the blind levels will be, and who the good regs are. Spending 5 hours investigating other options could increase your hourly rate greatly, and even upping it $10/hr can make tens of thousands of $$$ difference over the year. Even if it doesn't it only costs you 5 hours.

This post is long, so I will not go into further detail, I may follow up this blog post with another post about the reliability of skins and why Rakeback affiliates are not allowed to advertise and have to remain concealed if people are interested.

When people we have staked or coached have asked for advice I will suggest to do good research, and make sure you are getting the best RB deal possible. I am always happy to pass on players details to a select few people I know who offer these deals to get their offers, but you should always do your own research and make sure you are confident that you are getting the best deal you can. Otherwise you are leaving money on the table.

md261

4 comments:

  1. Hey you are totally right but I dont think theres enough traffic on these euro sites even after BFriday to make it worth compared to PS.

    Specially on 6max.. iPoker traffic is ruined by DoNs and anything up 20$ is totally dead (i have played on iPoker over many skins and time) and at least in my case, cant keep any fair volume, and if thers volume, itll be full of bad regulars ( which also hurt your ROI anyway )with 10% rake ..

    Correct me if Im totally wrong, but i have consistely tried to find an euro site but the good rakeback isnt worht it when you dont have volume to take part of that rakeback :(.. i guess your not interested in bringing regulars to your field, but if thats not the case any light from your thoughts would be VERY much appreaciated :)

    Thanks a lot Al, nice post, very helpful.

    -- anonymous 6max grinder

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  2. Great comment "anonymous" 6max Gr1nder. I have found that when you factor in a 60%+ RB there are 3 Euro sites where you can (just) get the volume.

    PartyPoker: tough, tough games, 4 regs to a table.

    OnGame: cannot always get the volume for about 1/2 of the day and crappy software which can make it a bit tough to multisite.

    iPoker: Here I think you CAN get enough games going MOST of the time. There has been a slight (smaller than you would expect) surge in activity in iPoker since Black Friday. If you are willing to play Turbos/Reg speeds between $50-$300 then the volume is almost always there for someone who only 15-tables like me.

    If you are looking for a site to 24-Table I don't think you will find any other than the big 3, unless you are willing to play 9-mans and/or DON.

    A quick and vague Hourly rate calculation tells me that if I can 15 Table the quick turbos at OnGame or iPoker, I can exceed my Stars hourly rate as long as I hit a 1% ROI. This compares with a 14% ROI at Stars.

    I have found it more profitable at Ongame and iPoker. It depends on;

    a) are you happy to play with inferior software
    b) can the software support your multitabling or do you time out too often
    c) are you planning on playing more than 15 games
    d) do you care about shooting for a measly 1% ROI.

    You can feel a bit down when at the end of the month you have only made 1-2k from your games, but hen you receive a 5k RB kickback you forget all about that :)

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  3. Another very interesting post, however from the research i have done I have found it hard to obtain 60% RB.

    On partypoker it is not possible to get RB other than their reward scheme (aside from a few rake races/ freerolls etc). This goes up to a hypothetical 50% but for a 6 max grinder like me it is just under the 40% mark. I agree that the games are reg heavy, especially in the evening when the grinders come out to play.

    I was looking for a RB deal on ipoker with the intention of playing across different EU sites at times of poor traffic. However I have only been able to compare reward schemes, and the best of them only just compare to my current RB at party. Do you mean that a high RB is attainable through the reward schemes alone, or is it essential to sign up through an affiliate to get important additional RB? Possibly lack of research is still hindering my progress and apologies if i have made incorrect statements.

    This blog is always an enjoyable read and I found this post particularly helpful for me at this moment in time.

    Andy

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  4. Andy, if you shoot an email in to md261@6maxcoaching.com, or even better add me to skype "al_mcclenahan" we can hav a chat and look at improving your situation.

    Al

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