PezRez on 1st June 2010
A lot of players feel like when they fill a flush, they have to raise. If you strongly feel that your opponent has a flush too, it might be unwise to raise with your non-nut flush. Here’s an example of what I mean:
PokerStars Game $35+$3 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20)
Seat 1: Player 1 (1500 in chips)
Seat 2: Player 2 (1500 in chips)
Seat 3: Player 3 (1500 in chips)
Seat 4: Villain (1500 in chips)
Seat 5: Hero (1500 in chips)
Seat 6: Player 6 (1500 in chips)
Player 2: posts small blind 10
Player 3: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [Jd Qd]
Villain: calls 20
Hero: calls 20
Player 6: calls 20
Player 1: calls 20
Player 2: folds
Player 3: checks
*** FLOP *** [4d Ah 2d]
Player 3: checks
Villain: checks
Hero: bets 60
Player 6: calls 60
Player 1: folds
Player 3: calls 60
Villain: calls 60
*** TURN *** [4d Ah 2d] [9c]
Player 3: checks
Villain: checks
Hero: checks
Player 6: bets 40
Player 3: folds
Villain: calls 40
Hero: calls 40
*** RIVER *** [4d Ah 2d 9c] [8d]
Villain: bets 320
Hero: calls 320
Player 6: calls 320
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Villain: shows [9d Kd] (a flush, King high)
Hero: shows [Jd Qd] (a flush, Queen high)
Player 6: mucks hand
Villain collected 1430 from pot
When my opponent bets 320 into 470 after check-calling twice, what else can he have but a flush? I gave some consideration to raising as my flush is a good one, but I have to remember that he limped UTG, and so is more likely to have suited high cards than suited rags as might be the case if he was in the blinds. Also, my call doesn’t close the action here. I’m pretty sure my flush will beat Player 6, so rather than shutting him out with a raise and getting heads-up with the player who may have me beaten, a better plan is to call and go for Player 6’s overcall. That way, I limit potential losses as well as maybe getting a little extra value for my hand if it is best.
As you can see, my flush was beaten, but I lived to fight another day (or play later in that Sit‘n’Go, whatever).
PezRez
PS. Player 6 had A6, if you were wondering.
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can you please explain why over limping is the correct play here 6 handed? i think raising to isolate the fish is the correct play. yes this particular hand plays out the same but in the long term i think raising to isolate is better. please tell me your thought process thanx im new jenny (anon post wont let me leave name)
ReplyDeletenice graph btw respect !!!
Hi Jenny.
ReplyDeleteOverlimping and raising to isolate the fish are both valid plays. However with a JQs type hand I would like to maximise my implied odds, and this is acheivable by minimising my initial outlay by limping behind. If my hand was better, I was in later position (rather than raising into four players)or players behind were likely to raise to attack limpers, I would be more inclined to isolate. As it is, the fish was limping light but he did still have me beaten. With hands that tend to give implied odds to your opponents eg ATo, isolating would be stronger as a multiway pot is not in your interests. JQs plays excellently multiway however.
Hope that helps you to understand why I limped,
PezRez